—Actually, it wasn’t because of that, it was because of something else I said that she didn’t agree with. She didn’t come out live, but she said: ‘Tomás Angulo doesn’t come back as long as he doesn’t change; The Tomás Angulo that we knew before gave his opinion and now I don’t know what happened to him, but he doesn’t come back to this program anymore.’
—Yes, I can no longer enter ATV and they have never explained to me why, but it is assumed. Before, I went to the channel almost every day: they called me from Paco Bazán’s programs, JB’s, from the newscasts. When I asked for explanations, no one told me anything.
—Would you like to reconcile with Magaly?
—Magaly is a person that I like even though she threw me out. That’s the resource I have: I don’t hold a grudge because I know that resentment is bad and I can understand it. As I told her on my radio show: ‘Magaly, I’m not against you. What’s more, I admire your work, we have worked eight years together; I’m the only psychologist you’ve ever had because the others went and didn’t come back because you didn’t like them.’
—Have you tried to communicate with her?
—I called her because I thought we were friends, but she didn’t answer me. And while we went out to lunch, I helped her with her judgment. He was good at helping out, but he never paid me anything on television because I thought we were friends. We even celebrated its rating. Afterwards, nothing. So, I said, ‘Wow, the only one who thought he was the friend was me.’
—And other people didn’t warn you?
—Actually, I thought we were friends. When Giuliana (Rengifo) came out to say that her husband (Alfredo Zambrano) was something like that, I came out to defend Magaly, although she does not need defense. One day she will realize that she had a good friend and I hope that one day we will talk and that opportunity will be given.
—Has being a psychologist helped you get away from narcissistic people?
-Clear. In real life, we all have a level of narcissism, it is part of being human, as is vanity. There are levels. The problem is when narcissism becomes pathological, which is believing that you know everything, that you can do everything and that you and this are the best. Alan García and many living people from television were there; They are extremely narcissistic, they feel they have too much power.
Tomás Angulo talks about Ernesto Pimentel and Alex Brocca
—Regarding the Ernesto Pimentel and Alex Brocca scandal, why is it believed that every dead person is good?
—I once talked to Ernesto and he was very sincere when he told me that he had suffered a lot and I believed him because they were very sincere words. It was the only time I spoke with Ernesto. He is not my friend, but I was touched when he told me that it had been difficult for him to be very strong. I saw a very lonely Ernesto with an incredible hunger for affection. But you don’t see that in the film, you see an indifferent, cold boy, as if he had no feelings. I think the film does not reflect the reality of suffering. Yes, you can see his effort to move forward despite the difficulties. Much more needs to be said about Ernesto because the film is not enough to tell everything that happened to him.
—Ernesto Pimentel is writing a book about his life.
—A book would be better because the movie has a structure like television: you have a few minutes to talk about something and sometimes that something is not well understood. I think a book could better explain everything he suffered and everything he did not dare to tell in the film. In fact, the film has to follow a format, an intention.
—For many, Ernesto is the bad guy in the story.
—Let’s ask ourselves: who was really there? He (Pimentel) has to tell the story. The sisters came out to talk, but it is normal for them to defend their brother (Alex Brocca). In the film, he tries to show that his partner did not love him, that they wanted to take advantage of him and that he forgives him. In the end, he tries to look good; but, in real life, one generally gets resentful, upset. We have good and bad moments. We don’t always act well. In moments of tension and suffering we are also vengeful, we are also bad. The human being is very complex. It’s not like the movies.
—Your show ‘Don’t flower at me’ is coming. How has it been working with Francis Herrera?
—Francis is exaggerated, intense, crazy, a ‘laughter’, very fast and I follow her. I’ve been doing shows for seven years now. It’s going to be a lot of fun, we laughed a lot in rehearsals and that ensures success. It goes every Saturday in May at 8 pm at the Barranco Station and they are popular prices.
